Subject	careful here. there are many different things happening...
Posted by	niXit on January 08, 2003 at 12:39 PM
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In Reply To	Base timing at idle should be 15degrees, I got 19 degrees posted by MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) on January 08, 2003 at 12:32 PM
Message	:Base timing at idle should be 15degrees, I got 19 degrees timing showing up on the techdom at WOT on the dyno. correct, on the road, I have had as much as 45 degrees of timing advance at WOT. this is common. 15degrees BTDC is stock. by advancing timing via the CAS (say 3 degrees), you effectivly advance all timing that 3 degrees. It provides greater HP gains, as it effects the entire RPM range. The supra guys run 21 to 22 degrees of timing a WOT. I don't see how Ash could be running 30 degrees timing at WOT . That is a big jump. watch your techtom again. It should jump to 40something, then slowly settle down to around 20. make 4th gear pulls on the freeway too. real world is different then dynoworld.
Follow Ups	Ignition timing advance benefits. Going from 15 to 17 - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 11:39:32 01/08/03 <- TECH - Timing Tweak (n/m) - my91z 11:44:58 01/08/03 Tech timing tweak lacks a lot of information - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:45:29 01/08/03 Personally I wouldn't mess with the timing without... - Funky (NWZ) 11:46:36 01/08/03 Yep, some race gas and he can run 17 with no problem - SeedyROM 11:48:05 01/08/03 Yea, racegas can help with knocking... - Funky (NWZ) 11:53:17 01/08/03 Heh, people dont know this but you can run a stock program - AshsZ (FABio) 11:57:46 01/08/03 yes, I believe Mike (La Canada) is running 17-19psi w/stock - Funky (NWZ) 12:03:55 01/08/03 Yep. (n/m) - SeedyROM 12:09:18 01/08/03 specific gravity - Marshall 14:09:08 01/08/03 Torque goes up with fuel delivery. At least to a certain - AshsZ (FABio) 15:47:09 01/08/03 yeah (check your email) - Marshall 16:11:36 01/08/03 Heh, you can go MUCH further than that... :) - AshsZ (FABio) 11:55:27 01/08/03 Sorry, that's Greg's role :) - SeedyROM 12:17:48 01/08/03 I won't blast you - Marshall 15:07:43 01/08/03 I agree with you on many of those points - I take beatings - AshsZ (FABio) 15:40:32 01/08/03 Hell I run 20 deg BTDC on 93 octane with no problem in summr (n/m) - SUPRMANZ 13:54:52 01/08/03 Try that in a Stage III TT though ;) - SeedyROM 14:27:23 01/08/03 he has an NA. (n/m) - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 14:37:02 01/08/03 I know. He has a Stage III NA, I'm saying he can't do that - SeedyROM 14:46:11 01/08/03 You are right, I read "stage III" missed the TT. (n/m) - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 14:51:44 01/08/03 It does - I've tested it - Flycaz's dyno charts. >>> - AshsZ (FABio) 11:49:26 01/08/03 After my dyno run this past weekend, we check timing - BigRob 12:26:19 01/08/03 JWT race gas program and pump gas programs just - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:43:16 01/08/03 I made an increase of 15rwhp going from 13 to 16 BTDC - colocomp 12:13:21 01/08/03 But I bet it improved a large chunk of the powerband - SeedyROM 12:14:32 01/08/03 I will try and find the graphs and post. (n/m) - colocomp 12:15:36 01/08/03 That'd be cool. 13 to 16 is a healthy jump. (n/m) - SeedyROM 12:18:10 01/08/03 I found the graphs but they did not have the tourqe - colocomp 12:37:11 01/08/03 Re: I found the graphs but they did not have the tourqe - BigRob 13:05:56 01/08/03 The dyno sheets I have were from a private dyno - colocomp 13:13:26 01/08/03 Dyno in your garage? Cool :-))) When can we all come over? - BigRob 13:18:15 01/08/03 I think 300.00 ish?, we need to talk Tim into buying it. (n/m) - colocomp 13:22:26 01/08/03 Re: I think 300.00 ish?, we need to talk Tim into buying it. - BigRob 13:24:27 01/08/03 Nothing on ebay. Damn. (n/m) - Woody75 (Denver) 14:04:55 01/08/03 Base timing at idle should be 15degrees, I got 19 degrees - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:32:39 01/08/03 Unfortunately I did not have a Techcom to check a WOT (n/m) - colocomp 12:35:50 01/08/03 careful here. there are many different things happening... - niXit 12:39:20 01/08/03 The timing map comes off of the MAS voltage readings - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:45:39 01/08/03 :sigh: mmm... okay. - niXit 12:48:02 01/08/03 Talked to Clark Steppler ( who is not clueless) and - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:22:53 01/08/03 Well, if he thinks TPS is involved, he IS mistaken. - AshsZ (FABio) 15:53:51 01/08/03 So the igntion map is based on MAFS voltage and what else? - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 16:41:47 01/08/03 RPM.. (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 21:03:15 01/08/03 a/f is different on dyno and road, why wouldnt timing be? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 17:53:20 01/08/03 How do you know it is different? Do you have 02 - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:26:08 01/08/03 A dyno is very different then open road.... - Kyle(Houston) 21:09:31 01/08/03 add about .4 to your a/f...that is what it will be on the - Chris(NJ) 00:24:34 01/09/03 We *always* had to fine tune at the track----> - Kyle(Houston) 07:04:51 01/09/03 oops. sorry, my post was meant for mike. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 10:18:28 01/09/03 "Simple question"? You are just "ignant" Ash can you - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:33:20 01/08/03 Yup, after much thought, I've decided: You are clueless. (n/m) - niXit 13:00:28 01/08/03 lol (n/m) - colocomp 13:20:49 01/08/03 guess you are smarter than me when it comes to modding Z's : (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:53:01 01/08/03 My timing was always 15 btdc when WOT, and I have never - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 14:02:53 01/08/03 You guys are confusing base timing and ACUTAL timing >>> - AshsZ (FABio) 16:10:59 01/08/03 I was referring to timing at WOT which is not base or stati (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 17:03:26 01/08/03 Re: Ignition timing advance benefits. Going from 15 to 17 - sparkie 13:08:09 01/08/03 Re: Ignition timing advance benefits. Going from 15 to 17 - au7385 15:25:35 01/08/03
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